Hallo
Gibt es in der Formel 2 nicht diese Sicherung wie in der F1, die dafür sorgt das Reifen nach einem Unfall nicht umherfliegen?
Das habe ich mich nach dem Schrecklichen Unfall bei dem Henry Surtees leider Verstorben ist gefragt.
Er hat ja bei seinem Einschlag auch ein Hinterrad Verloren, wieder ein
Schwarzer Tag für den Motorsport ;(
Gruß,
Ralf
Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
Das hab ich mich auch gefragt. Wir in der int. Formula Master haben die Kevlar-Seile an den Rädern. Warum das die Formel 2 nicht hat, muss sich hoffentlich der Verantwortliche jetzt rechtfertigen...
Wers nicht gesehen hat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTDiYS1NVW4
Wers nicht gesehen hat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTDiYS1NVW4
Zuletzt geändert von LFcom am Mo 20. Jul 2009, 18:10, insgesamt 3-mal geändert.
Liebe Grüße
Dominic Liebl
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Kimster
Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
Die Reifen fliegen dieses Jahr aber selbst in der F1 sehr leicht ab, siehe Kubica in Melbourne.
Könnte man evtl. eine Warnung vor das Video setzen ( Achtung, tödlicher Unfall oder ähnliches ).
Könnte man evtl. eine Warnung vor das Video setzen ( Achtung, tödlicher Unfall oder ähnliches ).
Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
Ne 100% Rad Sicherung gibt es nicht!!! Auch nicht in der Formel 1!
In der Regel sind die Schwachstellen ja nicht das Rad und oder die Befestigung, sondern die Achsteile, wie etwa die oberen und unteren Querlenker samt deren Federbeinen.
Diese sind denn auch gesichert.
Aber das Rad, sollte ja bekanntlich sich drehen!?
Wenn zum Bsp. die Nabe oder der Stern bricht, dann fliegt einfach der Rest. Das kann man bis Heute noch nicht sichern!
Ein Restrisiko bleibt also immer.
Kart001
In der Regel sind die Schwachstellen ja nicht das Rad und oder die Befestigung, sondern die Achsteile, wie etwa die oberen und unteren Querlenker samt deren Federbeinen.
Diese sind denn auch gesichert.
Aber das Rad, sollte ja bekanntlich sich drehen!?
Wenn zum Bsp. die Nabe oder der Stern bricht, dann fliegt einfach der Rest. Das kann man bis Heute noch nicht sichern!
Ein Restrisiko bleibt also immer.
Kart001
Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
Die Räder wahren offenbar mit Seilen gesichert.
http://www.motorsport-total.com/formels ... 72002.html
http://www.motorsport-total.com/formels ... 72002.html
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Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
Die Sicherungsseile sind meines Wissens nach am Radlagergehäuse befestigt, welches Bremsscheibe, Bremmssattel und Rad tägt. (alles andere würde auch wenig Sinn machen).
Aber wie Kart 001 schon sagt, ein Restrisiko bleibt immer, Motorsport eben.
Aber wie Kart 001 schon sagt, ein Restrisiko bleibt immer, Motorsport eben.
Am Öl hats nicht gelegen, war ja keins drin !
Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
@LFcom
hat der in dem Video den Reifen gegen den Kopp bekommen ??
Weil der ja dann total geradeaus gefahren ist.
Mfg
#kev
hat der in dem Video den Reifen gegen den Kopp bekommen ??
Weil der ja dann total geradeaus gefahren ist.
Mfg
#kev
.....Was nicht passt, wird passend gemacht....
Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
Das sieht man doch sogar wie der Reifen gegen den kopf fliegt.
Er ist da schon bewusstlos gewesen, und man sieht sogar wie er nachdem Einschlag noch voll Auf dem Gas stehen bleibt (wurde ja auch gesagt).
Es ist schade das so etwas passiert ist, aber leider trägt dieses Risiko jeder, der Motorsport betreibt.
Seeeehr tragische Sache.
R.I.P Henry Surtees
Er ist da schon bewusstlos gewesen, und man sieht sogar wie er nachdem Einschlag noch voll Auf dem Gas stehen bleibt (wurde ja auch gesagt).
Es ist schade das so etwas passiert ist, aber leider trägt dieses Risiko jeder, der Motorsport betreibt.
Seeeehr tragische Sache.
R.I.P Henry Surtees
Keep Racing
gruß andré
gruß andré
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Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
[quote]Original von kev
@LFcom
hat der in dem Video den Reifen gegen den Kopp bekommen ??
Weil der ja dann total geradeaus gefahren ist.
Mfg
#kev[/quote]
Ja, lt. Jonathan Palmer hat er den Reifen bei knapp 190 gegen den Kopf bekommen.
[QUOTE]
I am absolutely devastated that 18 year old Henry Surtees lost his life in an accident in the Formula Two race at Brands Hatch yesterday. This is the saddest time in my 35 years of motor racing and my deepest sympathies are with father John, mother Jane and their daughters Edwina and Leonora, together with other family and friends.
Henry with Jonathan PalmerHenry was driving at about 120 mph between Westfield and Sheene corners on lap 9 of the race when he was struck on the head by a bouncing wheel and tyre from an accident at Westfield corner several seconds earlier. It is clear that Henry was knocked unconscious immediately, and his car then continued straight on at Sheene Curve, hitting the guard rail. I understand that the fatal injury occurred instantly and that the impact at Sheene had no influence on the outcome of the accident.
The race was immediately red flagged and the medical team were very quickly at the scene. Henry was removed from the car, stabilised and taken to the medical centre, where he was prepared to be air-lifted to the Royal London Hospital, the regional trauma centre. After evaluation and investigations in the intensive care unit, Henry was found to have suffered a major head injury that was not survivable.
Henry Surtees and father JohnHenry had joined Formula Two for this first season of the new championship and had immediately impressed with a pace, focus and maturity that belied his young age of 18 years. He took an incredible pole position at Brno in the Czech Republic in only his second F2 event, and became the first British driver to win a place on the podium with a magnificent third place at Brands Hatch on the day before he died. Henry made a big mark in just four events and looked very likely to be a winner in F2 in the future and maybe even F1.
Not only was Henry immensely talented but he was also a very popular member of the whole Formula Two team, making many friends amongst both the other drivers and the team members, earning enormous respect everywhere.Henrys F2 car at Brands Hatch
John Surtees played a major part in his son's success, carefully monitoring everything that was going on and meticulously using his huge experience mentoring Henry and contributing to the all important set up and strategy. It was such a pleasure seeing father and son working together so effectively and it was clear that pursuing Formula Two success was the focus of Henry and John's lives and something they enjoyed immensely.
There will of course be a detailed investigation into the accident that claimed Henry's life and we will do everything possible to understand exactly what happened and why, and see what can be learnt from this freak accident in the continual quest to make motor racing safer. It is perhaps ironic that John Surtees competed for many years at the highest levels of motorsport on both four wheels and two at a time when safety was given little consideration, but his son Henry should lose his life at a time when driver safety has never been greater.
Jonathan Palmer presents the third place trophy at Brands HatchThe Williams F1 designed Formula Two cars comply with the FIA 2005 F1 safety standards including the fitment of wheel tethers to reduce the risk of wheels coming off in accidents. The F2 car also includes the latest F1 standards of driver head protection with high cockpit sides and lateral deformable structures. As with F1 however, wheel tethers cannot provide an absolute guarantee that a wheel will not come off in an accident and in a single seater race car the front of the head is inevitably exposed to the risk, however small, of being hit by another car or component.
This accident is particularly poignant for me as a father and brings into sharp and uncomfortable focus the inevitable danger of motorsport. On Sunday morning my 18 year old son Jolyon and Henry were sat together, Henry and Jolyon Palmer at an autograph signingamidst all the F2 drivers, joking and signing autographs for fans. In the afternoon F2 race Henry was just half a second or so behind Jolyon, trying to move forward after an earlier spin. As they both dived down towards Sheene, the bouncing wheel just missed Jolyon, but hit Henry, who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. By the evening, I was with John and Jane Surtees in the same intensive care unit at the London hospital that Jolyon had been in nearly two years earlier after his serious quad bike accident.
The awful tragedy has not just touched, but profoundly affected many people. Our whole Formula Two team and those involved at Williams F1 are enormously saddened, shocked and stunned by what has happened and for Henry's dedicated F2 mechanic Don Old it is a particularly difficult time. When such incidents occur one relies upon the professionalism of all those involved and I am proud of the way the medical team at Brands Hatch did everything possible to save poor Henry's life.
The top three on the podium at Brands HatchWe all know life can be cruel and we read of young victims of tragedies every day, whether through accident, war or illness. But nothing can prepare someone for the loss of their own child and clearly John and Jane are absolutely distraught. We are all so desperately sorry. At this most difficult time in the Surtees' life we will of course do whatever we can to help as John and Jane in particular try to come to terms with the loss of Henry, someone so special and someone who had already achieved so much in his short life.
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Quelle: www.formulatwo.com
@LFcom
hat der in dem Video den Reifen gegen den Kopp bekommen ??
Weil der ja dann total geradeaus gefahren ist.
Mfg
#kev[/quote]
Ja, lt. Jonathan Palmer hat er den Reifen bei knapp 190 gegen den Kopf bekommen.
[QUOTE]
I am absolutely devastated that 18 year old Henry Surtees lost his life in an accident in the Formula Two race at Brands Hatch yesterday. This is the saddest time in my 35 years of motor racing and my deepest sympathies are with father John, mother Jane and their daughters Edwina and Leonora, together with other family and friends.
Henry with Jonathan PalmerHenry was driving at about 120 mph between Westfield and Sheene corners on lap 9 of the race when he was struck on the head by a bouncing wheel and tyre from an accident at Westfield corner several seconds earlier. It is clear that Henry was knocked unconscious immediately, and his car then continued straight on at Sheene Curve, hitting the guard rail. I understand that the fatal injury occurred instantly and that the impact at Sheene had no influence on the outcome of the accident.
The race was immediately red flagged and the medical team were very quickly at the scene. Henry was removed from the car, stabilised and taken to the medical centre, where he was prepared to be air-lifted to the Royal London Hospital, the regional trauma centre. After evaluation and investigations in the intensive care unit, Henry was found to have suffered a major head injury that was not survivable.
Henry Surtees and father JohnHenry had joined Formula Two for this first season of the new championship and had immediately impressed with a pace, focus and maturity that belied his young age of 18 years. He took an incredible pole position at Brno in the Czech Republic in only his second F2 event, and became the first British driver to win a place on the podium with a magnificent third place at Brands Hatch on the day before he died. Henry made a big mark in just four events and looked very likely to be a winner in F2 in the future and maybe even F1.
Not only was Henry immensely talented but he was also a very popular member of the whole Formula Two team, making many friends amongst both the other drivers and the team members, earning enormous respect everywhere.Henrys F2 car at Brands Hatch
John Surtees played a major part in his son's success, carefully monitoring everything that was going on and meticulously using his huge experience mentoring Henry and contributing to the all important set up and strategy. It was such a pleasure seeing father and son working together so effectively and it was clear that pursuing Formula Two success was the focus of Henry and John's lives and something they enjoyed immensely.
There will of course be a detailed investigation into the accident that claimed Henry's life and we will do everything possible to understand exactly what happened and why, and see what can be learnt from this freak accident in the continual quest to make motor racing safer. It is perhaps ironic that John Surtees competed for many years at the highest levels of motorsport on both four wheels and two at a time when safety was given little consideration, but his son Henry should lose his life at a time when driver safety has never been greater.
Jonathan Palmer presents the third place trophy at Brands HatchThe Williams F1 designed Formula Two cars comply with the FIA 2005 F1 safety standards including the fitment of wheel tethers to reduce the risk of wheels coming off in accidents. The F2 car also includes the latest F1 standards of driver head protection with high cockpit sides and lateral deformable structures. As with F1 however, wheel tethers cannot provide an absolute guarantee that a wheel will not come off in an accident and in a single seater race car the front of the head is inevitably exposed to the risk, however small, of being hit by another car or component.
This accident is particularly poignant for me as a father and brings into sharp and uncomfortable focus the inevitable danger of motorsport. On Sunday morning my 18 year old son Jolyon and Henry were sat together, Henry and Jolyon Palmer at an autograph signingamidst all the F2 drivers, joking and signing autographs for fans. In the afternoon F2 race Henry was just half a second or so behind Jolyon, trying to move forward after an earlier spin. As they both dived down towards Sheene, the bouncing wheel just missed Jolyon, but hit Henry, who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. By the evening, I was with John and Jane Surtees in the same intensive care unit at the London hospital that Jolyon had been in nearly two years earlier after his serious quad bike accident.
The awful tragedy has not just touched, but profoundly affected many people. Our whole Formula Two team and those involved at Williams F1 are enormously saddened, shocked and stunned by what has happened and for Henry's dedicated F2 mechanic Don Old it is a particularly difficult time. When such incidents occur one relies upon the professionalism of all those involved and I am proud of the way the medical team at Brands Hatch did everything possible to save poor Henry's life.
The top three on the podium at Brands HatchWe all know life can be cruel and we read of young victims of tragedies every day, whether through accident, war or illness. But nothing can prepare someone for the loss of their own child and clearly John and Jane are absolutely distraught. We are all so desperately sorry. At this most difficult time in the Surtees' life we will of course do whatever we can to help as John and Jane in particular try to come to terms with the loss of Henry, someone so special and someone who had already achieved so much in his short life.
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Quelle: www.formulatwo.com
Radsicherung in der Formel 2?
Dir Formel2 HAT Sicherungsseile. Obwohl die FIA das gar nicht verlangt. Aber es ist unmachbar das so solide zu fertigen dass das Rad immer unter allen Umständen dran bleibt.
Wenn die auftretenden nur Kräfte groß genug sind wird immer etwas brechen/reißen und das Rad herumfliegen.
Wenn die auftretenden nur Kräfte groß genug sind wird immer etwas brechen/reißen und das Rad herumfliegen.
